Links Mentioned in This Episode:

Focus on Deception (BOOK)

How to Outline Your Book, with Lewis Jorstad (Podcast) 

Essential Book Outline (Free resource) 

AuthorScale (Automate TikToks That Drive Readers to Your Book)

The Resilient Writers Radio Show: Interview with Kendra Pecci – Full Episode Transcript

Intro:

Well, hey there, Writer. Welcome to The Resilient Writers Radio Show. I'm your host, Rhonda Douglas. And this is the podcast for writers who want to create and sustain a writing life they love. 

Because let's face it, the writing life has its ups and downs, and we want to not just write, but also to be able to enjoy the process so that we'll spend more time with our butt-in-chair getting those words on the page. 

This podcast is for writers who love books and everything that goes into the making of them. For writers who want to learn and grow in their craft and improve their writing skills. Writers who want to finish their books and get them out into the world so their ideal readers can enjoy them. Writers who want to spend more time in that flow state. 

Writers who want to connect with other writers to celebrate and be in community, in this crazy roller coaster ride, we call the writing life. We are resilient writers. We're writing for the rest of our lives and we're having a good time doing it. So welcome, Writer. I'm so glad you're here. Let's jump right into today's show.

Rhonda:

Well, hey there, Writer. Welcome back to another episode of The Resilient Writers Radio Show. I'm really excited to have Kendra Pecci with me today. I said that right, Kendra, right?

Kendra:

You did. Thank you.

Rhonda:

OK, so Kendra lives for the thrill, both on the page and in real life. She spent her younger years riding horses, winning cop car chases and jumping out of airplanes. And now she gets her adrenaline fix by writing women's suspense novels for readers who want to escape into stories with complex independent heroines who live life on their own terms.

And when she's not putting her characters into complicated situations that gets her own heart racing, she's immersed in a Stephen King novel, deconstructing her father-in-law's meatball recipe, or chasing her next adventure in the Colorado Rockies. I love that.

So we're gonna talk about her book, Focus on Deception which is a novel that uh takes place in a world of PTA meeting soccer moms, soccer games and wine moms with someone by the name of Stella Meyers who fits right in. And no one in her ritzy Connecticut suburbs suspects that the photographer her captures weddings, parties and fundraisers by day is robbing people blind at night.

And Stella lives for the thrill and after an exhilarating date with her daughter's new teacher, a 401k and steady paycheck starts to look more enticing until a ruthless blackmailer uncovers Stella's true identity and threatens her daughter. Then all bets are off.

I love the sound of this. So in terms of vibes, you say it's like Ocean's 8 meets Big Little Lies with Gilmore Girls vibes.

Kendra:

I think that's about the best description I can come up with. A little bit of everything for everybody.

Rhonda:

So how did the idea for this one come to you?

Kendra:

Oh, first of all, I should say it came a long time ago. So this took me a long, a long time to bring to market. I was, um I lived in Anchorage, Alaska at the time and I was leaving my daughter's elementary school and I just saw the president of the PTA's, you know, car there and uh she was about as near perfect a human as you could be. She was the whole package.

And I just had a moment of thinking to myself, what if this is all a ruse? And what if she is not who she appears to be? And by the time I made it home, which was just walking across the street, Stella Meyers was born. She was in my head.

And I think uh the biggest thing for me in the biggest part of myself that I brought into Stella's character at the time was that I really was somebody who did a few adrenaline junkie things in my life. And I had given all that up and to be a good mom.

And I'm glad I made the decision, you know, but I missed it a lot. And so this concept of like, hey, what if a mom who did all these crazy things kept doing them, you know? Now Stella, Stella's origin story is a little different. She didn't actually start stealing until she was pregnant.

But, but the idea that a woman wouldn't stop doing what she wanted and, know, kind of didn't care what people thought about her. And then this double life just, just ripped me and really did not let me go. So.

Rhonda:

Oh I love this setting of the PTA moms, right? Cause there's something about I mean, I didn't do a lot of PTA work. I must confess when my daughter was young, but I had a job that had a lot of travel, but there is this idea of like the perfect yummy mummy, you know, and how there's, yeah, they're just like, they've got everything going on and, you know, um and it's kind of an intimidating thought because for most of us, we're near that perfect, right?

Kendra:

Yeah. absolutely.

Rhonda:

Why suspense? What was it about? What was it about Stella in particular and this situation that had you thinking, you know what? I think this is I think I'm now writing suspense.

Kendra:

Well, I have to confess. That's the reason it took me so long. So I originally wrote Stella's story as a women's fiction novel, and I did not write it as suspense. And that was in 2011 when I started querying that and I had great responses, but no one signed, couldn't grab an agent, couldn't get it traditionally published.

And the feedback was pretty consistent, like, oh, you've got a thriller on your hands.

Rhonda:

Oh, okay.

Kendra:

And you have to raise the stakes, like something has to happen to her daughter or to her in order to do that. And I fought that. And I would say I fought that for a decade.

Rhonda:

Oh wow, okay.

Kendra:

I wanted to write it as a series. wanted to write about a mom who, you know, and in that original version, Stella took some risks, but she took them to help a friend. She didn't have, and her overwhelm, you know, she and I both agreed. If she were bad at her job and something happened to her daughter, she wouldn't be doing this work, right? She did this because she was really, really good.

And it wasn't until literally everyone, you know, said, “nope, you have to change it. This is a thriller if you want it to be, know.” And um Stella and I had a long chat. I'm not kidding about it. And she was like, do not wreck me, kind of deal. And I finally said, was like, something has to happen to Caitlin if um you want your story out there.

And so we debated it and we came up with this. And then the reason it tips to women's suspense, and this is... This kind of feeds into why I self-published. Well, no, it is the reason I self-published because even though it has real thriller elements, it still does not follow the genre conventions of a thriller.

Rhonda:

Oh, in what way does it deviate?

Kendra:

You see Stella succeeding in her life for quite a while before I pulled the rug out from under her. And I think that's very necessary for this book. something happened to her kid, you know, within the first 10% of the novel, if that was the inciting incident, who would have any sympathy for her?

Rhonda:

Right.

Kendra:

It'd be so easy to dismiss her and be like, why would you, of course that happened to you. Of course it did. You broke the law. You do this thing. You try to live this double life. You're not being a good mom. So you needed to see her and understand what her life was like for a bit. And you know, she has romance and she has friends and there's all this stuff going on and that's what you need to see first.

So in the end, I called it women's suspense because I think that encapsulates, you throw the word women's in front of something and people are gonna go, there's gonna be relationships here. You're gonna see her, know, maybe her mom life.

Rhonda:

Yeah. So it's not standard thriller. Yeah. Okay.

Kendra:

So I had to write it well enough that people would start reading it and keep reading it.

Rhonda:

And that does feel that sense of suspense, right?

Kendra:

Something pushing them through. And I think I've done that from what the readers are saying.

Rhonda:

Yeah. So you decided to self publish it. Was that this is the first time you've done that, right?

Kendra:

Yeah.

Rhonda:

And so how did you go about it? What was like, me the big learnings of self publishing a first novel.

Kendra:

Oh, Lord. Well, I like to say that in 2025, when I did this, that I was riding a roller coaster. So all the ups and downs of riding a roller coaster while I was building the roller coaster. And then the really key important part while I was learning how to build a roller coaster. So that was 2025.

And what helped me the most, and I think one of the reasons I reached out to you was I made the decision, I put the line, know, put some stakes in the ground. And that was really important for me. Made the decision December 6th of 24 that I was going to publish this novel.

And I finally said, okay, I'm going to self-publish it and this is what we're going to do. But I had already thrown out the last version of the book, so I was starting over.

Rhonda:

Oh, wow.

Kendra:

So I attended your goal setting class in January and I felt seen and heard and I was like, okay, I'm going to have to do this. And I was told in December, and this also helped me, I had an accountability partner who was in The Resilient Writers, who was one of your student...

Rhonda:

Oh, that's great.

Kendra:

Yeah. Uh, one of your students and she noticed, she said, when you made that decision and you kind of drew the line in the sand, everything changed. And, um, so I had to book, I had to book developmental editors, line editors, proofreaders, all of it, cover design in December, you know, everyone's like, they're filling up for next year.

So if you want to publish next year, you have to do it. So that just became, so I set these deadlines for myself based on those contracts.

Rhonda:

So how long did it take you to go through the full self-publishing process?

Kendra:

One year. Well, honestly, 11 months because I made that decision December 6th and I published this book November 6th, 2025.

Rhonda:

Right. So yeah, because I think, you know, there's this illusion that self-publishing is the shorter way to go. And it is compared to like, yeah, you're getting an agent, spend six months trying to get a deal, maybe even longer.

Okay, now you've got a deal. Now it's going to come out two years or three years from now. Right. So compared to some traditional sense, then yes, but it can take time if you're going to do it right. Right. So you had a developmental editor that I'm assuming gave you feedback. And then you had to address all that feedback, right?

Kendra:

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And get through the emotional turmoil of getting, the feedback. That's an important step to build in. Just give yourself a day or two to absorb it. yeah.

Rhonda:

So true. Right. You get the feedback and you're like, Whoa, wait.

Kendra:

I was like, I've still missed it again. Cause I spent most of 2024 heavily involved in craft studying. You know, my journey was one where in 2012 is about the time I pulled the plug on pursuing publishing. We had moved across the country. My kids needed my attention.

And again, I was very resistant to the idea of turning this into a thriller. And so I just, kept writing, you know, I'm always going to write, but I stopped pursuing publication. And by the time I kind of came out of that wormhole in 2021, late 2021, early 2022, the world had changed.

And now you can have access to incredible book coaches and editors and people that are on your side. I was jealous of you and everybody else that was smart enough to go get your MFA. Late 90s, early 2000s, when I finally admitted I wanted to be a writer, that was out of my reach.

Rhonda:

And so come I to be fair, it's still on the credit card. I'm still paying it off. Right.

Kendra:

Yeah. I couldn't do. And so anyway, now I had access to those things. And so that really was a game changer for me. But I wanted to do it. I really wanted you to not be able to tell that it was not a traditionally published book.

Rhonda:

Yes.

Kendra:

Other than the genre convention of going, and I understand that. I understood why I didn't think it would be an easy sell for traditional publishing. They run a business and I understand corporations and they need an easy sell. so, you know, um, but other than that of being able to go, it should be shelved right here.

You know, I wanted it to look seamless. And so with access to good editors and the process and so much learning that I could do, I really was able to produce that. think.

Rhonda:

Wow. That's amazing. So, um, are you still keen on having it be a series?

Kendra:

So I thought because I had made the decision to turn it into, you know, to put her daughter at risk and to turn it into more of this thriller type suspense that I had eliminated that opportunity for me.

Rhonda:

Oh, okay.

Kendra:

Because of the series I had envisioned just wasn't, you know, wasn't going to work anymore. But I will tell you that readers have come back and fairly unanimously demanded more.

Rhonda:

More of Stella.

Kendra:

And um I then started really thinking about it. And I looked at some other decisions that I'd made in the book. So I didn't just change that aspect. And I went, okay, there is a path forward here.

Rhonda:

I can read this here. So why Connecticut? you, like what's going on?

Kendra:

No, I have no connection to Connecticut. I've had people from Connecticut read it and it kind of panicked. It was literally just access to the city.

Rhonda:

Okay.

Kendra:

Like what is a suburb of New York City that people who are very wealthy might live in, you know, that was it. I have no bone to pick with Connecticut. oh But she needs to live somewhere where she can get in and out of places that have loot that she would want to steal. So.

Rhonda:

Wow. Okay. So at the end of, no, I won't ask that. That's a spoiler. won't do that.

Kendra:

I can probably work my way around it. No, no, we won't do any spoilers. So I'm curious, though, about kind of where you go next with the series. Is there anything you can share about that? Because there's different approaches to a series, right?

There's like, is the world and everything, and it's different books in a world. And then there's, this is the character in a world and we follow the character. And then, you know, there's a few others, but what kind of approach are you taking to this series? Is it like a Connecticut small town series? Is it?

Kendra:

No, no, it's a Stella series, but I, and I would say it's a, you know, around her crew. her, she has a best friend that is probably the most important relationship in her life. You know, there's people in her life. um The goal is, so it's not quite a static series, you I don't know every answer yet.

And I, I'm not a plotter. I'm not somebody, you know, that really does the detail work, but it is critical to me that I write a book that's as good or better than the first one. Right. And so I am, I will say this, I, and the other thought in my head, um, when I, when I conceived this book, the version that finally made it, you know, into publication, I knew what the end looked like.

I didn't have the details for it and I will tell you that one of the ways it ended did really surprise me, but I had the visual of the final scene in my mind. And in the same way, the only thing I have really conceived of is what the end of this series would look like.

And so to me, the books that will come before that, and there is some reasons that I need that to be a while out will be kind of picking up people and experiences and things that will then come together in the end for what I see as the final book.

Rhonda:

And what is it in Stella that people are connecting with that makes them go more pleased?

Kendra:

First, I have to say shout out to her best friend uh because there is a dynamic between Stella and Fiona that is unmatched. mean, I really feel like it's one of the great duos and people love that. um So that that helps because Fiona is everything that Stella is not.

But I think um I think it's her confidence. You know, and I wanted to if I if there's a lesson, you imagine that you've talked about it, the ideal reader who's sitting there, you what do they take away from your book?

I imagine this woman with three children kind of old enough to take care of themselves for a bit, but still needing her and her just wanting to read and go, leave me alone until I finish this book. Leave me alone until I finish, yeah.

And I wanted her to think about it when she finishes the book of one going, okay, maybe I can take a few more risks. Maybe I don't have to do everything like the perfect PTA mom or whatever.

Rhonda:

Right, so I don't have to jump out of an airplane maybe but…

Kendra:

But I can do something for myself, right? But also that aspect of going, but I also feel like I'm a pretty good mom. You know, I'm doing it right. Cause Stella's doing some stuff that people are not going to like, you know, um, and that's okay. You know, so it's, I need her people to embrace the morally gray character. You know, that they'll stay with her, but not, um, you know, I them to feel good about the decisions they make as moms.

Rhonda:

So what were, you know, this is the first book that you've written that you've published rather, and you worked on it for a long time. What were like the two or three big writing craft skills that you had to come to terms with and really embrace and learn in order to finish this book and get it out into the world?

Kendra:

I think the biggest one was trying to figure out what kind of a writer I am. And I had embrace the term pantser because that is what I thought I was and people laugh at me they're like man you'll throw a book away and just start over you know with no problem and that's true.

I tried plotting. I really did that broke my brain. So I'm not a detailed plotter, but it was the introduction of the concept of the puzzler. So the person who's kind of in the middle of those two things.

Rhonda:

Yeah. Sometimes called a prancer. Yeah.

Kendra:

Okay. That's really, Lewis Jorstad is the one who introduced the concept of the puzzler to me. I know it wasn't original to him. And so this in the middle person. So I took his course in intuitive outlining.

Rhonda:

Oh yes, love that. Love that.

Kendra:

Oh my God. And so that was it. Because I couldn't go full intuitive writing. I had done that several times and I had books that were not publishable. So the Muse and I had a great time, but we didn't end up with a plot that you really could follow.

Rhonda:

It doesn't really work for anyone except you.

Kendra:

Yeah. Right. And again, the plotting just broke my brain. So that was, think the biggest key was doing the intuitive outlining, getting myself some direction, some idea, putting the of the stakes down in the ground for the important scenes that had to happen, and then letting myself play in the rest of it um to get the rest of the story written. So that was the biggest craft breakthrough that I had.

Rhonda:

That's great. Yeah, I love Lewis. I'll put a link in the show.

Kendra:

Oh, yeah. Thanks.

Rhonda:

Because I just think it's great. So the plan is to do a series. Talk to me a little bit about your writing rhythm, your writing ritual, your writing process. How are you getting this done? Because you've still got kids, right?

Kendra:

No, I will tell you, mean, they exist, but they are not underfoot anymore.

Rhonda:

They don't live with you anymore.

Kendra:

No, I waited long enough. are grown and flown. And that was why I took this time. So I really am in a place of privilege. My husband retired kind of early because he likes to climb mountains and do things. And he goes, need to do this while my body still can.

And then I said, OK, well, I'm retiring early too to write. And he was like, oh what? You're younger than me and what are you doing? And I said, well, I need my brain to write these stories. So we're just going to go starving artists for a little while and get this done.

And I was absolutely right to do that. I really am privileged that my kids are grown and college is paid for and, you know, we can live simply on the other side of it. Yeah, I really am.

But my process is so funny. And my hope is and again, I attended your writing kickoff this year. I need to find a process that is functional. And I am worried that I'm incapable of doing that. So my biggest fear is that, so I wrote this book because of both who I am and how I set those deadlines.

My daughter got married last January and I wanted to be fully in on that and things like that. And so I had only written 25 % of the novel by February 1st. And I had a deadline of March 1st to get the novel to my editor.

And a quote from you one time was, you know, when you were talking about affirmations and you said, I'm someone that makes my deadlines. And that is true of me.

Rhonda:

Okay. Good for you.

Kendra:

I almost killed myself.

Rhonda:

That is a lot of writing in a short period of time.

Kendra:

Yeah. And I was really mad at myself. I was like, February is the shortest month of the year. Why did you do this? Can you get a couple of extra days? And I did it. I slid that deadline in, I made the deadline to the developmental editor. I needed then a couple of weeks to recover from that experience.

But I loved it, but it's not sustainable. And then the same thing ended up happening, at least with the first draft and that edit, it didn't have to be perfect to go to the developmental editor. That's not a thing. It was a great first draft. I mean, I had written that first draft how many times at this point? So.

Different book, still. But the next deadline was just as bad. So I ended up, I had committed to something in April, long before I decided to publish. And so I left myself, I was going to the line editor June 1st. I had an entire book to revise in the month of May.

Rhonda:

Wow.

Kendra:

And then that did need to be perfect. Right? You don't send it to a line editor with, you know.

Rhonda:
Unfinished. Yeah.

Kendra:

Yeah. And so that was an intense experience. I mean, I worked 10 to 12 hours a day every day in the month of May without break. Wow. And I loved it. I really loved disappearing in the story and living the story and all of those things. But it literally, you know, it almost..

Rhonda:

It must have been exhausting. You must have like, sent it off and then did nothing.

Kendra:

It comatose.

Rhonda:

Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

Kendra:

And so I realized this time around, I'm like, I cannot do that again.

Rhonda:

Right.

Kendra:

I have to balance it. But I'm also not positive. I've never done it that way. Let me put you on that.

Rhonda:

So what's the plan?

Kendra:

I'm doing a lot of studying on different types of work and what productive looks like that's in a nice way. I think I'm probably going to admit that I'm a person who kind of pulses, you this hot and cold. And so I think I'm trying to do, and so far this is what's happening in January, a couple of deep days where I don't do anything but write or in this port, I'm not writing yet, but I am working through outlining and trying to figure out again what the story looks like.

And then a few days off where I can, cause I still have a book to market and I do still have obligations as human and then diving back into it. So that's the hope. If it doesn't work, then I will, I'm not abandoning the series. I'm not abandoning my readers. And if I have to dive back in again for a month and say, this is what I'm doing, then I'll do it.

Rhonda:

There is something lovely about, you know, really going all in and doing something in an intensive way, because you basically live in the story, right? You come up for air and it's still Connecticut. You know?

Kendra:

Right. Yeah, exactly. And I love that. In it.

Rhonda:

Yeah. And that feels really great, but it can be exhausting. I, we, we do in, my First Book Finish program, we do these page booster weekends. The thing I'm always telling people is like, don't hit Monday morning, hating your book and not wanting to do anything because you work too hard on the weekend because that's just, it's going to hurt.

Kendra:

Yeah. Yeah. And I do, I loved the experience of getting lost in the story. Um, I, that just was something it's how I read as well, you know, but it's faster to read than it is to write. So I could disappear for a weekend and be fine.

Rhonda:

Sad but true. Sad but true.

Kendra:

So I did, I did love that. Um, and my husband was quite tolerant and I, you know, I said, you're on everything duty for the next month. You know, you're cooking, you're cleaning your doing everything and supporting me. And he was great with that.

But about three weeks in, I told him, said, I will make this deadline. But this is not sustained. Like I'm ready for a break. Ready to sleep in one day or something.

Rhonda:

Yeah, yeah. And I think it's so important to have a sustainable writing routine. Like it's so critical because we all have other things we have to do, whether you're employed or not, know, somebody's got to get toilet paper in the bathroom, you know, so there's always extra stuff to do. Yeah.

Kendra:

And I do love that. I feel like I've written in almost every experience, you know, when my daughter and then my son was born, I was the one writing in 15 minute, you know, dropped off, you know, at school drop off and.

I'd get up at five o'clock in the morning because my daughter slept till six or seven and I'd get a little writing in. I wrote my memoir during those years. I've done it every way. wrote during um the last time the manuscript I threw away in 25 or 24, I was working for a company in a very high powered sales job.

You know, really tough environment. And I had told myself that I was going to finish a book that year. And in 90 days, I had a hundred thousand words toward a draft, you know, and that was on lunch breaks here and there. And those hands. So I've done it in every, you know, I know I can do it. Yeah.

Rhonda:

And it's totally possible. you know, I see that in my First Book Finish program all the time where people, you know, three months and the draft is done. So you just have to be conscious of being consistent with your time.

Kendra:

I think the main thing, the one epiphany I really had with getting this finally crossing that finish line is that it really is, you know, it's 90 % mental.

Rhonda:

Yes.

Kendra:

If you can get out of your own way. Yes. Whatever that means.

Rhonda:

Which is hard sometimes, right?

Kendra:

It's very hard. It's very hard to do that on your own. You know. And so finding the way, how does your brain work? How does your time work? What can you give things? Doing that, boy, that's a game changer.

Rhonda:

Yeah, absolutely. So I do think there's a path for everybody.

Rhonda:

I agree. So Kendra, what's your plan for marketing the book? I mean, it's often the big thing with self-cub, right? You get the book out there and now congratulations, you're a publishing firm. So how do you market it?

Kendra:

Well, this is one of the joys of waiting until your children are older to publish a book and that is that um I'm getting a lot of help from my daughter and her wife.

Rhonda:

Great. Love that.

Rhonda:

I am so grateful for them because they, uh I'm terrible at Canva and all those things. And I will say to them, Hey, I want to make a post about a shopping guide for Stella and Fiona for the holiday. And they'll go, we're on it. And they'll make it for me.

Rhonda:

Oh, that's so great.

Kendra:

Yeah. So that's helping. mean, I cannot. I cannot say enough how much that's helping me. um I did kind of a guru marketing thing to launch the book and um what that meant was I released the book. Okay, I released, this is a confession. I released the book November 6th. I followed advice from a woman named Ashley Shepard who wrote a book called uh Profitable Publishing with Pre-Orders. Wait.

Profitable Publishing with Pre-Orders. I want to get that right. And it's probably sitting behind me. And so I took her advice and I took the advice of this guy my son follows on social media. His name is Gary Vee.

Rhonda:

Yeah, yeah.

Kendra:

Okay, know him. And I, yeah, and he's very intense and he's like, just go for it. And so I literally messaged every single person in my phone.

And every single one of my friends on Facebook, Facebook has limits of what you can do. it had, and I wrote personal messages. They were not generic. They, my book was coming out, you know, amazing. did they want to support me?

And so by two days after my launch, I had then sold the number of books I wanted to sell for the first year.

Rhonda:

Amazing. Hey, that's amazing.

Kendra:

It felt so good. And now I've got a couple hundred more. So I'm over 450. I try not to track it too frequently. And the benefit of that is that will take time. So it's going to take time for people to actually read the book.

Reviews are trickling in, things like that. And so that big push in the beginning buys me some time to now turn around and focus on the next book, see what I want to do. That was kind of the stroke of genius or just Stella's confidence coming through.

Rhonda:

I love that. What would Stella do? Let's do it that way.

Kendra:

You know, and so uh I'm glad I did that. And you know, there, there, I need to figure out TikTok, God forbid.

Rhonda:

Okay. Do you know about AuthorScale?

Kendra:

No, I know nothing. Okay. So like just Google it AuthorScale. It allows you to do faceless tech talks that are all based on your book.

Kendra:
Oh, okay. Yeah, they're so good.

Rhonda:

So I think you're going to do TikTok. I highly highly recommend.

Kendra:

Oh, thank you. Yeah, I've been very resistant to this because I'm not even a I wasn't even on TikTok. So it's not something, you know.

Rhonda:

I do the old get off because TikTok was sending me videos saying maybe you want to spend less time on TikTok. And I was like, oh, talk for me.

Kendra:

It's a sign.

Rhonda:

So, well, this is so amazing. I'm so happy for you and you've done amazing work with it. So congratulations. You feeling good about it.

Kendra:

Yeah. I feel really, really good about it. And I think the best thing is knowing, and the same thing with marketing, I wrote a book that I love. Yeah. And that readers are starting to really love. I got my first bookstagram review and by a total stranger and things. And that feels really good. And so that also makes marketing more accessible.

Rhonda:

Totally.

Kendra:

You know, it's not for everybody. don't pretend that the book is, but if you want to escape for a little while and you do like kind of some, you know, bad-ass women that make interesting choices, great. You know, you're going to, you're going to have a couple of days of just distributing this book. So that feels good. So, thanks so much for talking to me about it, Kendra. Really appreciate it.

Kendra:

And thank you Rhonda. I mean it for all that you do for all the writers in the world. You, you are an incredible person and you do great work and books like Focus on Deception or a result of What you give to the world. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Rhonda:

Oh gosh. Thank you, Kendra All right. Well, we'll talk to you soon. I hope.

Kendra:

Okay. Wonderful. Take care. Bye.

Kendra:

Bye

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